Social Discourse – Monday 1st July 2019
It was one of the hottest weeks of the year, with more than our fair share of scorching action on the track. And if the racing results didn’t set everyone alight, the off track debate certainly did. We start this week’s Social Discourse with the Irish Derby, writes William Kedjanyi.
- How’s that for Sovereignty?
Erm what the hell happened in that Irish Derby?!?
— Samantha Martin (@sam_angelina22) June 29, 2019
Yes, that’s a very good question indeed, Samantha. Well, as the geegeez.co.uk results tell us, Sovereign won.
Wait, Sovereign? The 50/1 outsider? The pacemaker?
Yes. See here.
So, as one could see, he led all the way after what appeared visually to be a strong early pace. How could we make sense of this? Maybe, it would be a good idea, to perhaps consult the race timings, data that could be explained by a sectional expert, perhaps.
What do the sectionals say? ………. What do you mean “we don’t have sectionals”?! https://t.co/L3MCJrOFfm
— Simon Rowlands (@RowleyfileRRR) June 29, 2019
Oh.
Reminder that Irish racing promised its public sectional times accompanied by great fanfare, starting on January 1st…….2016.
Never been any sign of them, nor of a reply of any sort to my queries as to their whereabouts.— Simon Rowlands (@RowleyfileRRR) June 29, 2019
Right.
A blind reading of the race would appear to suggest that Sovereign and Norway started strongly, and escaped the third Guaranteed, by which point they then had too much of an advantage before the rest of the field, who got going what appears to be at least a furlong too late.
In Case You Missed It: A timely reminder about Sovereign’s quality here – or at least what Ryan Moore said about him, as told by Tony Calvin:
1/2@ This is what Ryan Moore said about Sovereign prior to Derby: "While I have mentioned Sovereign, this is a good horse. I know people may dismiss him as he has been well-beaten behind Broome on his two starts this season, but he got a lot closer in the Derrinstown last time
— Tony Calvin (@tony_calvin) June 30, 2019
2/2: "and everything about this Galileo colt and his pedigree suggests the step up to 1m4f will see him come forward again, and possibly by a good amount. There will certainly be worse each-way chances than him in this race, and at a very big price, as well."
— Tony Calvin (@tony_calvin) June 30, 2019
The Fix Is In! Or is it?
A rank outsider who was nowhere at Epsom sets what seems to be an unsustainable pace, thus proving far too good for the Derby winner and the runner up. It might not look great for the form book, but a great deal of observers – many of whom had a financial interest in the race – appeared to think there was something more at play.
Most disgraceful race I've ever seen.
What a joke.
— Jay (@TracksideJay) June 29, 2019
What a joke of a race that Irish derby is. No wonder it has no credibility when half the field is trained by O’Brian then they let two of them go 15L clear and expect to catch them with a couple of furlongs left. Awful judgement by all the jockeys in behind. Shambles
— Frenchy (@Alex_lawrence10) June 29, 2019
Joke of a race but then again the O Brien Derby usually is
— shane reeves (@shanereeves1982) June 29, 2019
The Social Discourse View: For all that it was a shock win, there have been more confusing results in racing, and it should be remembered that the jockeys – remember them? They’re quite important – made a major difference. Perhaps those who believe the product is bent… shouldn’t be betting on it?
Anthony Van Dyck, who in the chaos of all this, caught and beat fellow front runner Norway by two and a half lengths, appeared to confirm the Epsom form, suggesting that Ryan Moore’s challenge – perhaps not for the first time in this most crucial of months – was not ideally timed.
Madhmoon, who had done so well to sustain his run at Epsom after passing most of the field following a stumble, didn’t have the same zest, but was better than Broome, who fell out of the stalls and finished a limp sixth.
From The Horse’s Mouth:
Aidan O’Brien:
"They all do their best."
Aidan O'Brien praises the well-bred and "genuine" Sovereign, his 13th Irish Derby winner. "The pace was always going to be solid," adds the trainer pic.twitter.com/8DI3aVy1Pr
— Racing TV (@RacingTV) June 29, 2019
Padraig Beggy:
"This is the race you grew up wanting to win."
Padraig Beggy reacts to a special victory in the @DDFRacing Irish Derby and the jockey says he's fulfilled a real ambition in the saddle pic.twitter.com/8o9fW89QPC
— Racing TV (@RacingTV) June 29, 2019
“It was a funny race. They went like the clappers and our horse could never really get into contention. Obviously I’m disappointed and I’d say we might drop him down to ten furlongs. I’ll talk to Angus Gold [owner Hamdan Al Maktoum’s racing manager] and we’ll make a plan.” – Kevin Prendergast, trainer of Madmhoon, talking to the Racing Post’s Tony O’Hehir
“They went off a real strong gallop and I made a plan to follow Ryan [Moore on Anthony Van Dyck], but he was struggling a long way out. The leader had flown, I was never going to make up that ground and Madhmoon probably didn’t stay. I think the Irish Champion Stakes is the best race for him.” – Chris Hayes, jockey of Madmhoon, talking to the Racing Post’s Tony O’Hehir
That’s Stat-tastic:
Padraig Beggy is certainly a jockey with a unique record:
Just 110 rides (8 wins) sandwiched between Padraig Beggy's 2017 Derby & 2019 Irish Derby successes. Every other Ballydoyle rider in Saturday's race arrived with over 200 rides under their belt this year alone. #Supersub
— Phil Thompson (@PhilThompson_OT) July 1, 2019
Not a bad time to ride your first winner of the season Padraig Beggy!
— Fergal O’Brien Racing (@FOBRacing) June 29, 2019
Padraig Beggy's average prize money per winner, last 2 years: £165,622
— chris cook (@claimsfive) June 29, 2019
2. Siskinned
Earlier, there was a much clearer case of the best horse winning. Here’s Siskin dotting up in the Railway Stakes:
How impressed were you with Siskin at @curraghrace yesterday?
Watch a full replay of his success in the Railway Stakes plus @LydiaHislop's interview with @gerlyonsracing >>>https://t.co/8kwMv3F5Ap pic.twitter.com/Ttu7ql2QdE
— Racing TV (@RacingTV) June 30, 2019
Oh Jesus he’s good.
— … (@joesy642) June 29, 2019
Siskin is unreal
— Fin (@RacingFW) June 29, 2019
Siskin for the 2000 guineas next year. Will get a mile I'm sure. Looks a proper horse. #Curragh
— jRichardson (@rialtojohn) June 29, 2019
Siskin most impressive 2yo Ive seen in Ireland this season. 2000 Guineas horse.
— Shane McEvoy (@ShaneMcEvoy1) June 29, 2019
The next target? The Keeneland Phoenix Stakes back at the Curragh is the next aim and he’ll take the beating there. Here’s Ger Lyons.
.@gerlyonsracing on exciting Railway Stakes winner Siskin: "This is just a straightforward horse, I can't claim any credit" Is he the best two-year-old we've seen this season? #LuckOnSunday @ABE_Dubai pic.twitter.com/cXeoQdEt0o
— Racing TV (@RacingTV) June 30, 2019
Good Things Come To Those Who Wait: Lyons made the call to miss the Coventry Stakes despite an excellent form chance, and he was backed by Juddmonte. It has paid off big time for now and might still reap further rewards down the road. Also, speaking of the waiting game…
3. A Coronation Fit For A Queen
If at first, you don’t succeed, try again. And again. And again. And then try again eight more times.
What a ride from @FrankieDettori! Coronet wins the Group 1 Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud for John Gosden… pic.twitter.com/FRTLst442F
— At The Races (@AtTheRaces) June 30, 2019
Because that’s how long it took the incredibly admirable Coronet to win her maiden Group 1, running down the pace-setting Ziyad and stablemate Lah Ti Dar in the shadows of the post. It was a masterclass from Frankie Dettori, who delivered her just at the right time, to right the ‘wrong’ of her being beaten by Waldgeist in this last year.
Goosebumps absolute goosebumps. GWAAAARN THE CORONET. GROUP. ONE. WINNER.
— Alex (@UAE_Racing) June 30, 2019
Coronet finally gets her Group 1 win at the 11th attempt. Great finish to the Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud.
— Laura King لورا كنج (@LauraKingDXB) June 30, 2019
Great to see Coronet land her Group 1, been such a fan of her for some time. Was starting to think it would never come. Getting older and wiser she hadn’t looked the most genuine in her last couple of runs, but she wanted it badly today!
— Callum (@Connochie7) June 30, 2019
https://twitter.com/John143Vincent/status/1145371632082522112
It was a moment for persistence, and due reward for a horse whose record in ten previous Group 1’s included four seconds, three thirds and a fourth, and she rightly came in for a great deal of praise afterwards.
3, The Legends of St George
It was a red letter Sunday not only for John Gosden but also other British trainers, as they took the four feature races on the card.
Gosden’s Mehdaayih quickly made up for a lifetime’s worth of bad luck during The Oaks when becoming the first British-trained winner of the Group 2 Prix de Malleret since Time On in 2006, and she did so in style, coming from well back to waltz clear:
She’s far too good for them! Mehdaayih bounces back to form and wins the Group 2 Prix de Malleret for @FrankieDettori and John Gosden at Saint-Cloud… pic.twitter.com/ILlLlARIlz
— At The Races (@AtTheRaces) June 30, 2019
“She’s got a lot of class and now we’ve got to take on the older horses” – there’re plenty of options for John Gosden’s Mehdaayih after her return to the winner’s enclosure at Saint-Cloud… pic.twitter.com/EkyxUMrAX4
— At The Races (@AtTheRaces) June 30, 2019
Headman, the winner of the London Gold Cup who had been forced to miss Royal Ascot on account of the ground, breezed past fellow raider Jalmoud with ease to take the G2 Prix Eugene Adam:
Very impressive – Kingman colt Headman powers past the field to take Group 2 honours at Saint-Cloud for @Jason7Watson1 and @RogerCharlton… pic.twitter.com/SWypqNz8x2
— At The Races (@AtTheRaces) June 30, 2019
Art Du Val, who had previously landed a conditions event in Dubai, landed the Prix de Saint-Patrick for Charlie Appleby and James Doyle to begin the raid:
Encouraging performance – No Nay Never colt Art Du Val opens up nicely to take the opener at Saint-Cloud for @the_doyler, Charlie Appleby and @godolphin… pic.twitter.com/nOTaEjakxy
— At The Races (@AtTheRaces) June 30, 2019
A bad sign for French racing? Tim Carroll posed the question, and started an interesting debate:
Serious question- where have all the good horses in France gone?
— Tim Carroll (@T_J_Carroll) June 30, 2019
Watch Me- Coronation Stakes winner that gave the dual Guineas winner a cold
Vazirabad – spell
Persian King – Star
Siyarafina – Star
Waldgeist- starI also seem to recall hearing every second jumps horse having a French name
— Rory Flanagan (@Rory_Flanagan) July 1, 2019
Few there Rory, although bit of a stretch with Walgeist (like to own him, but star?) 4 Group races on a card at Saint Cloud all won by Eng trained horses yesterday, not something you'd expect. Seems that the Eng/Irish trainers are winning decent pots 4 fun over there this season
— Tim Carroll (@T_J_Carroll) July 1, 2019
Frenchie narrow 2nd to Coronet yesterday in the big one. Also helps that a pathetic array of options post-ascot forced most trainers hands to send them over.
I’d be more concerned when Watch Me and Persian King are getting beaten by a gap instead of putting a gap in UK horses— Rory Flanagan (@Rory_Flanagan) July 1, 2019
Was a poor G1 that’s for sure, Frenchies struggling. Appleby especially has been picking up a lot of easy group wins for Godolphin.
— Frank (@withoutequal147) July 1, 2019
They won their own classics, St Alary and Ganay. Watch Me scalped Hermossa et al at Ascot. And it’s normal for raiders to take the early season juvenile stakes races. Agree there isn’t the strength in depth as there has been in the past. But it’s not a complete disaster. Yet …
— Katy Mowat (@KatyMowat) July 1, 2019
5. Who’s Going?
A note to end the weekend’s action. The New Curragh, a huge project for Horse Racing Ireland – at a cost of €80m, over four years – held its first Irish Derby over the weekend, but there were not attendances to match:
Thursday:
Today's attendance @curraghrace was 2,859
— Irishracing.com Live (@IrishRacing365) June 27, 2019
Friday:
Attendance @curraghrace today was 3,661.
— Irishracing.com Live (@IrishRacing365) June 28, 2019
Saturday:
Attendance @curraghrace today for the Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby was 11,957.
— Irishracing.com Live (@IrishRacing365) June 29, 2019
What’s wrong here?
Some say a move back to Sunday for the Irish classic is the way to go, but more of a worry would be the complaints about the Saturday experience: “sight of lengthy queues for toilets, as well as food and drink, at the ground level of the new Aga Khan Stand” (quote taken from The Irish Times.) Indeed, he was not the only person to notice:
Really was Tony. 15-20 min Q for a piss with a crowd that small. Drinks Qs were over 100 yards in most places. I didn't hear one person say anything good about it, heard plenty say it was awful.
— Declan Meagher (@declanmeagher76) June 30, 2019
Indeed, in the same paper, Brian O’Connell’s missive reminds us that there is still work to be done:
“It didn’t matter that backstage the jockeys’ loo was a Portakabin, or that the Members’ bar flapped in the wind like a point-to-point tent, just as it will be irrelevant to TV viewers this afternoon that every element of the new facility is state of the art.”
It’s not over yet… watch this space for more updates!
– WK
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